First in a series on TA, offering some of the metaphors I think can be useful in conceptualising and dealing with interactions. This first video looks at the Parent, Adult and Child states, and basic transactions. — Recommended TA texts: 1) Ian Stewart & Vann Joines: ‘TA Today: A New Introduction To Transactional Analysis’ 2) Thomas A Harris: ‘I’m OK, You’re OK’ 3) Eric Berne: ‘Games People Play’ — Great video bring with hitvideo.org
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9:55 pm on June 18th, 2010
Having just completed an undergrad subject on counselling, I’m surprised I haven’t heard of this.
As far as theoretical models go, this one seems very understandable and straightforward. Though, after 3 years of claiming psychology is scientific… I’d have to ask what evidence there is to support this model.
Also, my first impression is that this (like most other models) could be very easily mis-applied by those who don’t fully understand it.
10:49 pm on June 18th, 2010
@TheraminTrees
Yeah things like the Enneagram of Personality and MBTI are useful models for describing static personality, but I like TA because of its power to describe dynamic interactions. Looking forward to your next videos.
10:58 pm on June 18th, 2010
I am just revisiting this series. I thank you again TheraminTrees.
LOL I just recently fell for a girls pulling the child on me begging me to be the nurturing parent. “I won’t be fooled again” …. well I hope I can retain the TA so I don’t allow myself to be sucked in again.
11:22 pm on June 18th, 2010
Kinda reminds me of Nietzsche’s Master and slave morality.
11:23 pm on June 18th, 2010
@NicosMind When you say ‘ At the heart of things we are pretty much simple creatures with layers of crap piled on top.’ Is that a statement of fact? Or is it just something that you feel intuitively?
11:47 pm on June 18th, 2010
@opterigon Yup, first you admitted to devotion. And now your are acting like a devotee. Highly consistent behavior.
12:34 am on June 19th, 2010
@venompangx ROFLMAO!!! Finally! We get a glimmer of what you class as an “admission”. I say sarcastically “So I have unadulterated devotion now?” quoting your piss-weak accusation of having unadulterated devotion to Theramin. And you took that as a serious “admission” of my part?? You have revealed time and time again you are away with the fucking fairies. But that sealed it! LOL!!! I’ll leave you to your smoke and mirrors, troll. You’ve provided all the evidence I needed.
1:19 am on June 19th, 2010
@TheraminTrees Right. I’m not trying to be hostile, and I’m glad you appreciate that. We just have to be careful about classification systems — especially simple ones — so that we don’t read too much into the boxes we’ve made. They CAN be useful if they correctly predict future events. But they can also lead down blind alleys. Physical anthropologists have largely given up on the concept of ‘race,’ for example, because they discovered it wasn’t useful. Genetics is more useful.
1:43 am on June 19th, 2010
@TheraminTrees Thats a beautiful analogy of how we are and what life is like. Not to mention other things people have to go thru in their lives. If people werent abused by religions, cultural ideas, bad/evil fathers etc we would be a much more balanced society, but the burdens put upon certain people can cause them to hurt and act erratic with people around them(especially children) causing a vicious cycle.
If only we had more people open their eyes up to what society actually is.
2:02 am on June 19th, 2010
@opterigon So I was right about the unadulterated devotion part. Thanks for admitting it. You do not think critically about what he said. If you know him you must also know that he is smart. And unfortunately for you part of being smart includes being smart enough to give people false impressions. It is not grand deception. It is simple deception with grand consequence. Easily achieved by replacing an old statement with a new one and making a reason that sounds believable but cannot be verified.
2:04 am on June 19th, 2010
@NicosMind “At the heart of things we are pretty much simple creatures with layers of crap piled on top.”
—That’s an image that resonates with me. For a long time, I’ve had an image of us when we’re born, like a tiny flower, then a slab of stone coming down on us — distortions from weird cultural ideas and expectations — and then working through that to find the sun again and grow.
2:33 am on June 19th, 2010
@TheraminTrees Well this is why i said i see why you left them out. I did see a comment saying that the video was an over simplification but this i disagree. At the heart of things we are pretty much simple creatures with layers of crap piled on top.
I like to think of us as being positive creatures. We always do things that we prefer. Someone may say that they would like to be fit and healthy for instance but they would rather eat donuts than exercise even though they hate being overweight
3:14 am on June 19th, 2010
@NicosMind The rebellious side comes under the Adapted Child — this is mentioned in the next video. There were so many possible reactions that could be shown to illustrate all kinds of scope within the different groups. But the series would be hideous long if it attempted to give too many examples.
3:19 am on June 19th, 2010
I think your 3 states is missing a 4th which is teenager. On both sides of the fence you have hormones/horny and rebelious. You may see the naked stranger and become sexually excited, but on the other hand you might feel like doing something mischievious like throwing a water ballon on them.
But as ive just typed that i understand why youve left it out. Anyway ill listen to the rest of the vid before jumping in with more
4:11 am on June 19th, 2010
@opterigon Hey opterigon ;8) Ah they were good times larking about! I felt the old videos were a little rough at the edges though — and I was having problems with this horrible whining sound from the camera mechanism. Wanted to clean things up — and do a bit of rewriting.
4:32 am on June 19th, 2010
@EWAdams ‘Doesn’t TA somewhat trivialize the complexity of human interactions by reducing it to this trichotomy?’
—I guess I’m always surprised at that perspective. From my perspective, the range of Parent and Child behaviour seems overwhelming — added to which, we don’t adopt one style, but move between them. Perhaps that scope will emerge as the series progresses — the points in this video are necessarily simplified for digestibility, not to indicate intrinsic simplicity. Thanks.
5:04 am on June 19th, 2010
@venompangx The ISSUE is silly. So I have unadulterated devotion now. See now the smoke is blowing my way. You must at all costs smear anyone who disagrees. I was one of TT’s first subscribers and feel I know him extremely well. Of course you’ll argue that makes me prejudiced, not a better judge. Probably the reverse for people YOU know though right? But this is in fact about occams razor. Grand deceptive plot or humdrum explanations given. Which is more likely. Smoke gets in your eyes.
5:16 am on June 19th, 2010
@venompangx More smoke. That’s all you’ve got isn’t it. You’ve proved you have no intention of hearing any of Theramin’s answers. All the perfectly straightforward answers he’s given you’ve rejected as somehow “deceitful”. So what you actually hanging round for? I think we all know the answer don’t we. You’re trolling. Blowing smoke for a reaction. Trying to generate drama. Easy enough to prove me wrong – quit smoking. But here’s my prediction: more smoke.
5:42 am on June 19th, 2010
Interesting stuff!
6:30 am on June 19th, 2010
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6:42 am on June 19th, 2010
@EWAdams That is a good point. If TA is true, there is only two types of parents, two types of children and 1 type of adult. That is a trivial way of looking at things. Thanks for pointing it out.
6:44 am on June 19th, 2010
Doesn’t TA somewhat trivialize the complexity of human interactions by reducing it to this trichotomy? I can see how it might be beneficial as a therapeutic tool for people who can’t handle the manifold nature of humans and their relationships — a convenient way of thinking — but it seems even less scientific than Meyers-Briggs.
7:02 am on June 19th, 2010
Very interesting material. Can’t wait for the next video.
7:54 am on June 19th, 2010
@opterigon Oh and by the way there is no irony in my talking about the willingness to believe. I never called it a virtue. I criticized it. As for his honesty, you are just assuming it here. He has conveniently left no way of verifying it.
8:10 am on June 19th, 2010
@opterigon It is not silly replacement. On what basis can you make that conclusion.?All you have is his word for that. You are simply assuming that he is being honest with you. Yes a humdrum explanation was given, it is the most believable, especially to an admirer. You basically take his word that he is honest and challenges anyone who disagrees. That is not critical thinking, that is unadulterated devotion.